The Executive Coaching Business – Interview Stefan Stenzel

Only a decade ago, executive coaching was associated with either very senior business leaders coached by well-known authors and thought leaders, or with leaders who were struggling in their roles and were given a coach as a last resort.

Today, executive coaching has become mainstream — and it has changed significantly. 

First, despite the name, it is no longer the prerogative of C-level executives or their direct reports. Many companies now offer coaching to leaders at all levels of the organisation. 

Second, it is no longer seen as a remedy for underperformance. Instead, executive coaches are increasingly viewed the way we view coaches in sport: helping already high-performing individuals to become even better. As an executive coach myself for instance, I support business leaders at all levels with a wide range of challenges: transitioning into new roles, defining strategies for their teams and organisations, enhancing the collaboration with their own leaders and teams, and navigating change.

As a result, executive coaching has evolved from a niche activity into a serious industry. And, like any growing industry, this raises questions about developing and maintaining professional standards, pricing, quality and technology.

Stefan Stenzel has been active in the coaching business since the early 2000s and published ‘Die Zukunft des Coaching-Business’ (‘The Future of the Coaching Business’) in 2022. 

I recently sat down with him for two conversations to explore the state of the executive coaching business today.

In our first conversation, we focused on ‘The Executive Coaching Business’ and covered the following topics:

  • The value of executive coaching
  • Measuring the ROI of executive coaching
  • The characteristics of a good executive coach
  • Assessing the quality of an executive coach
  • Does the downward pressure on fees impact the quality of executive coaches?
  • The red and blue oceans for executive coaches
  • The place for independent coaches in the world of Digital Coaching Platforms (DCPs)
  • Face-to-face versus digital coaching
  • External coaches versus internal coaches


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Dirk Verburg: What is the value of executive coaching for large international organizations, and for what purposes are coaches typically engaged at companies like SAP?

Stefan Stenzel: The primary answer is innovation. Engaging external coaches provides a new perspective, time for reflection, and a “helicopter view” to address dysfunctional behavior. Coaching is highly effective when embedded into larger programs, helping leaders digest and individualize what they have learned so the knowledge sticks. It facilitates “vertical development”—thinking about how and why you think—which goes beyond normal skills training.

As leaders reach the executive level, they must shift from technical expertise to “winning the hearts, heads, and hands” of their people. At this stage, you cannot simply instruct mature people; you must influence them informally. Coaching also addresses “executive presence”—the ability to project confidence on big stages—and provides a safe space to navigate the stress and power plays inherent in high-level corporate environments.

Dirk Verburg: How can organizations measure the return on investment for coaching?

Stefan Stenzel: This is the “million-dollar question.” First, it is important to have solid descriptive measures—knowing how many coaching engagements are happening, where, and with whom. This foundation is essential, yet many companies lack it.

The “master class” involves measuring impact via correlations. However, executive coaching is often driven by the leader’s own conviction, and executives are rarely willing to fill out long questionnaires. Currently, we measure this via employee surveys focused on leadership KPIs, comparing data before and after the coaching period.

Ultimately, you must ask what will be done with the numbers. Measuring must make sense for the company. I compare coaching to car maintenance: you can skip it to save money immediately, but the eventual “repairs” or leadership failures are far more expensive. We must also challenge “status coaching,” where high fees are paid for big names without clear evidence of superior impact.

Dirk Verburg: In your professional opinion, what are the characteristics of a good executive coach, and is business acumen or content knowledge important?

Stefan Stenzel: It often starts with the “brand”—the ability to create an “eye-level” discussion where the coach is accepted by the executive. Having a similar career background can create immediate credibility and rapport.

However, a coach needs to “unlearn” the habit of giving immediate advice. I look for solid education and accreditation, such as from the ICF or DBVC. Many people have business experience but lack the formal training required to be a professional coach.

A good coach needs the self-confidence to challenge executives and deep business knowledge to offer new perspectives. If a coach does not offer innovation, they are not earning their fee. While credentials provide a foundation, the “chemistry” and rapport between the coach and the client are the final selection criteria.

Dirk Verburg: The title “Executive Coach” is not protected, and the number of coaches is mushrooming. How can organizations or individuals accurately assess coach quality?

Stefan Stenzel: Accreditations are vital because they prove the individual has undergone the hard work of formal education. These provide foundational criteria for selection.

However, even with credentials, an informed decision is necessary. In a large company, my job is to pre-select coaches to ensure quality standards are met before the coaching begins. It is like car manufacturing: you must embed quality at the beginning of the process.

Dirk Verburg: Digital coaching platforms are creating downward pressure on rates. Is coaching at risk of becoming a “hollowed-out” profession, and is it still sustainable?

Stefan Stenzel: Platforms are a natural consequence of digitalization. For the customer, they provide transparency and ease of comparison that was missing 20 years ago.

For coaches, it is harder to stand out. If you are just one of thousands on a platform, it is a “red ocean” of competition. To escape this, coaches must differentiate themselves through their brand and expertise—moving from “bestseller coaching” to “craft coaching.”

Top-tier coaches rarely need platforms because their brands are established. For others, they must treat their practice as a business. If you are a business coach, you should be able to run your own practice successfully. While platforms handle distribution and data, the core relationship between the coach and the client remains unchanged.

Dirk Verburg: Is there still a place for face-to-face coaching, or has technology made physical presence unnecessary?

Stefan Stenzel: Yes, but the customer will decide. The “art of coaching” involves blending virtual and in-person offers professionally. Face-to-face is compelling when topics become highly complex, emotional, or involve “embodiment coaching.”

There is also value in “outdoor coaching,” where fresh air and a change of environment can open a person up to new perspectives. However, because executives face heavy time pressure, coaches must be able to prove the additional value of meeting in person. Professionalism means knowing when to deviate from a digital script based on the client’s needs.

Dirk Verburg: I am skeptical about internal coaching pools regarding distance and confidentiality. Where do they work, and what are their constraints?

Stefan Stenzel: I have been an internal coach for 25 years and have rarely encountered trust issues. The real challenge is that you are part of the system. This is both an advantage and a disadvantage.

The benefit is understanding internal processes and linking coaching directly to them. The disadvantage is that you are affected by the same reorganizations as your clients. Maintaining “working distance” requires high professionalism to avoid simply being compassionate without adding a new perspective.

We have 650 internal coaches, and the company is convinced of their value. To be successful, they must be professionally educated to ensure they have a real impact while navigating the internal system.

About Stefan Stenzel
 
Stefan Stenzel (Dipl.-Psych.) studied Organizational Psychology at Heidelberg and Mannheim with a minor in business administration. He has almost 30 years of experience in PD and OD. Since 2001 he is working at SAP SE in the role of a HR Senior Expert for Learning in the team of Global Leadership Development with varying areas of responsibilities. Based on his initial coaching training in 1998, he is working as an internal coach at SAP since 2002. With short interruptions he is globally responsible for the external coach pool across all management levels and is currently implementing a coachbot to complement the service portfolio. He is Co-founder of DBVC e.V. in 2004. In 2023 he co-founded in this context with, Dr. Uwe Böning. the so-called Think Tank “Future of Coaching” . He is author of various publications on the topic of (the future of) coaching. 
 
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Book: Die Zukunft des Coaching-Business

Contact Stefan Stenzel: kontakt@coaching-reset.de


Disclaimer

The statements and expressed opinions of Stefan Stenzel are his own and do not represent the views, positions, or policies of SAP SE.

Any comments he made are purely personal and should not be interpreted as being endorsed with SAP SE.

For any official information or statements, please refer directly to SAP SE.

The Dark Side of Leadership – Interview Manfred Kets de Vries

Unfortunately, today, a single television news bulletin, or a glance at the front page of a newspaper, is enough to reveal the dark side of leadership.

However, many people do not need to switch on the TV or read the paper to witness this; instead, they experience the dark side of leadership every day within their own organizations. They happen to work for ‘Psychopath Lights’—or, as Manfred Kets de Vries calls them, ‘Seductive Operational Bullies’ (SOBs).

In the 36th episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I sit down with Manfred to explore his extensive research on this phenomenon. During our conversation, we discussed the following topics:

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Toxic Leadership – Does Your Leader Have A Dark Triad?

‘Guys, I will always have your back’, she said when she became our leader … until she did not.

We all know the stories about how notorious dictators like Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Saddam Hussein, not only ruled their countries with an iron fist, but had an inner circle of followers that were on the one hand attracted to them and craving for their approval, and on the other hand continuously on their toes, out of fear of falling out of favor and being ‘purged’ as a result. A contemporary example of such a dictator is Kim Jong Un.

Nowadays, we would say these dictators had a ‘dark triad’. 

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Have you ever considered taking a stimuli-rich holiday?

For a number of people, the summer holidays represent the mental equivalent of an oasis in a desert: a perfect opportunity to temporarily escape their daily grind and the stress of their work.

Although holidays are a fairly new invention in the history of mankind, and actually only a privilege for a, largely Western Europe-based, minority of the workforce, we ascribe almost magical powers to them. The most important ‘super’ power is the one that suggests that if we take one or more weeks off and label this ‘a holiday’, we are fully relaxed and ready to face our challenges in the workplace again.

Switching off?

However, many people find it hard to mentally switch off from their work during their holidays. Usually, they spend the first days of the holidays decompressing from their work, and they switch back on a couple of days before their work starts again.

I firmly belonged to this category as well.

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From”I Have To” to “I Choose To”: A High-Achiever’s Two-Step Guide to prevent Burnout

Many high performers are inclined to take on too much responsibility. These people are often a dream for the companies they work for: in addition to being dedicated and hardworking, they are always willing to go the extra mile. However, as a result, a number of them experience serious work-life balance issues, and some even suffer from mental and/or physical health problems.

These issues do not stem from the content of their work; they all like their work. Instead, these issues stem from the fact that they assume responsibility for elements in their work that they cannot control.

A Blast from the Past: Stephen Covey

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Coaching in the workplace – An interview with Zena Everett

Most of us are acutely aware of the gap between how organizations aspire to operate and the everyday reality of working within them.

This discrepancy often has a negative impact on the motivation and well-being of employees, ranging from a decrease in employee engagement, to mental health issues,

In her book ‘Badly Behaved People’, my fellow executive coach Zena Everett describes a number of real-world cases about how this discrepancy can manifest itself, and, perhaps more importantly, how we can address them

What I particularly like about about this book is how Zena makes complex psychological concepts (for instance, Transactional Analysis) accessible without oversimplifying them, and demonstrates how they can be applied in the workplace.

In our conversation about her book, Zena and I discussed the following topics:

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Book Review: ‘What’s Your Type?’ – The history of the MBTI

Because I extensively use the MBTI when coaching executives, and because of my general interest in the work of the Swiss Psychiatrist Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), I was looking forward to read ‘What’s Your Type? – The Strange History of Myers-Briggs and the Birth of Personality Testing’ by Merve Emre.

For those not familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), the MBTI has been developed by Katherine Briggs (1875-1968) and her daughter Isabel Myers (1897-1980) on the basis of Jung’s Personality (‘Type’) Theory. It enables the categorization of individual personalities in 4 dimensions, resulting in the (well-known) 16 different ‘types’ (e.g., ‘ISTJ’ or ‘ENFP’).

Function PreferencePreference
Energy I – Introversion (ideas) E – Extroversion (people)
Perception S – Sensing (data) N – Intuition (intuition)
Judgment T – Thinking F – Feeling
Attitude towards outside world J – Judging P – Perceiving

Until a decade ago, the MBTI was one of the most popular personality assessment instruments, and, although it is far less popular today than it used to be, it is still extensively (ab)used.

For this reason, I was very curious to read the book. Unfortunately, I found it a mixed bag.

What I do not like about this book

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‘The Leader as Healer’ (Business Book of the year 2023) – An interview with Nicolas Janni

‘A transformational read that every leader of today needs’.

These were the words Head Judge, Jacq Burns used when she announced that ‘Leader As Healer’, written by Nicholas Janni was selected as the overall winner for the 2023 Business Book Awards.

In his book, Nicolas Janni argues that we need a new leadership model to address the challenges our society faces.

Our current leadership model is one where we see great leaders as warriors ‘on the battlefield of relentless competition’, who drive action, pursue instrumental (shareholder value related) goals, and maintain transactional relationships.

Instead, Nicholas Janni pleads for leaders who are empathetic, intuitive, present, skilled in mindfulness and deep listening, and who can inspire colleagues to engage and collaborate.

In this episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I discuss with Nicholas:

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MBTI practitioners: do not shoehorn your clients into a type — do this one thing instead

In my previous post about MBTI I stressed the importance to review the outcomes of this personality assessment with clients, to make sure they understand the outcomes and recognize themselves in their type. However, often practitioners become stuck in these reviews if clients do not indicate their preferred behaviors. Although it is tempting for practitioners to try to shoehorn clients into a specific type, doing so is likely the least productive and helpful approach.

What was the MBTI again?

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