The 70% Failure Rate: Why are most Business Transformations STILL getting ‘Lost’? – Interview Rupert Brown

McKinsey’s infamous stat haunts every executive: 70% of all change management efforts fail. Despite decades of expertise, this number seems frozen in time. Why?

In the 35th episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I sat down with a true transformation veteran, Rupert Brown, author of the eye-opening book, ‘Lost in Transformation’.

Rupert is an experienced Chief People Officer and change management specialist with deep expertise in M&A, digital transformation, and turnarounds, having advised giants like Procter & Gamble and Maersk.

This wasn’t just a discussion of tactics; it was a candid, emotionally intelligent discussion on how Transformations can be handled better.

Tune in to learn about:

  • Why Transformation projects continue to fail
  • The difference between Change and Transformation
  • The Bad Reputation of the word ‘Transformation’
  • Why we still struggle with Change Management  
  • In-Groups and Out-Groups in Change Management Processes  
  • Chief Acceleration Officers
  • Trust is Energy
  • Crises as Catalysts for Change
  • The impact of our Permacrisis on Change Management 
  • Behavioral Skills to cope with the BANI world’
  • Change Management and AI

If you’re leading a transformation—or struggling to survive one—you can’t afford to miss this. Rupert delivers the hard truths and the practical guidance needed to shift from ‘being Lost’ to becoming ‘the Leader of change’.

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‘Adult Innovation – Find The Right Problem To Solve’ – Interview Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg

We have all been programmed to associate innovation and problem solving with phrases like ‘Thinking Out of the Box’, ‘There are no bad Ideas’, ‘Celebrate Failures’, and ‘Throw Against the Wall and See What Sticks’.

According to Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg, this leads to ‘Kindergarten innovation’. No one takes these phrases (and the processes they are supposed to guide) seriously, and yet we all pay lip service to them, especially in brainstorm sessions. As Thomas said during the conversation I had with him, this approach might work for people working on a dating app in Silicon Valley, but is not suitable for the vast majority of people and problems in the corporate world.

Therefore, Thomas advocates a focused method and approach to innovation.

► Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg is the author of What’s Your Problem? (Harvard Business Press, 2020), a book on how to solve the right problems. He is also the co-author (with Paddy Miller) of Innovation as Usual, a Harvard Business Review Press book on the art of driving innovation in regular organizations.

In the 34th episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I interviewed Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg about innovation, both at an individual, as well as on an organizational level.

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Dirk Verburg: Could you explain, using the slow elevator problem, how reframing is a higher-level activity than analysis, and why it is about finding a better problem to solve?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: The slow elevator problem captures the essence of the method. Tenants complain the elevator is too slow. Many take the problem for granted and jump to solutions, like buying a new elevator or updating the software. They miss that they may be trapped in the wrong problem. The experienced landlord knows it is not about the speed of the elevator; it is about the fact that people hate waiting. To remedy this, they might put up a mirror next to the elevator. When people see a mirror, they forget time. The example shows you should not jump into action immediately or analyze why the elevator is slow. Start by reframing and asking, “Is the speed of the elevator really the problem, or is there something else going on?”. That is the difference between analyzing issues and framing them differently.

Dirk Verburg: Can you give an example of how a frame can be weaponized, and how can we detect if that is the case?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: The classical illustration is calling an armed group ‘terrorists’ versus ‘freedom fighters’. A corporate example is Uber, which, when criticized for safety incidents, shifted the frame to say, “Uber is the safest place you could be at night,” comparing it to walking or driving yourself. My favorite example is the carbon footprint concept, which a reporter states was developed by the petroleum industry (British Petroleum). This frames the climate problem as one of individual choice rather than systemic solutions, moving the focus from production to usage. This is “ninja-level” framing that gently nudges people away from thinking about corporate responsibility. You detect it by simply noticing the frame—once you understand what framing is, you start to become attuned to it.

Dirk Verburg: You mentioned we often fall in love with problem framings, which prevents us from changing. Could you explain that notion and give an example?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: We fall in love with problem framings to avoid conflict or fear. For example, if you have a team member not performing, but you are conflict-averse, you might frame the issue as, “They are never going to change anyway,” because your mind wants to avoid the uncomfortable discussion. A closer example is a writer who wants to write a book but secretly fears the result. Instead of confronting the fear, the brain invents obstacles: “I need a new computer, I need a specific editing program before I can get started.” Your brain invents this framing to hold you back from the thing it fears, even though you also want it. The illustrative version is when you get the new computer, and you are still not writing.

Dirk Verburg: Can you explain the importance of examining bright spots by looking at where the problem is not, and perhaps provide an example?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: It is one of my favorite strategies because it shifts the mood of the conversation. We often focus on the negative, but this strategy reveals we may have already solved the problem once before. The essence of the bright spot strategy is to ask: “Has there ever been a time when this problem was less bad or didn’t happen?”. For example, in retention issues, instead of only focusing on why talented people leave, we should focus on the bright spot: Why do talented people stay? Understanding the culture or specific factors that retain them allows you to double down on those efforts. On a personal level, I write about a couple who fought over their budget. The wife noticed their morning discussions were kind. Their insight was that the fights always happened after 10 PM. They made a rule to only discuss the budget the next morning, when they were better prepared and kinder towards each other.

Dirk Verburg: Why is testing the problem framing with a hard ask, like a down payment, more reliable than simply asking stakeholders if they would like the proposed solution?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: There are multiple factors. Often, people are polite and will tell you what they think you want to hear or what they genuinely believe to be true. However, the true test comes when they have to pull money out of their wallets. We know from lean startup practice that you must test your price point to ensure people genuinely value the solution. In the book, I share a story of entrepreneurs who pitched their service to co-op boards. The boards were positive until the entrepreneurs asked for a small down payment. Very few paid, and the entrepreneurs knew the project was not viable. They redesigned it for offices, and 18 out of 25 customers signed up immediately. That hard ask confirmed they had found the right problem that people were serious about solving.

Dirk Verburg: Before moving on, do you have any final advice or recommendations for people who want to address problems according to the methodology set out in your book?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: I have two pieces of advice. First, get into the habit of discussing your problems with other people. Very often we think about our problems alone and only discuss solutions later. The best shortcut to spotting your own blind spots and having your thinking challenged is discussing the issue with at least one other person and asking them to challenge your framing. The second is to try that with AI. AI is powerful if you know to ask it to reframe. If you ask the AI to specifically “challenge and reframe the way you see the problem,” it can act as a very positive problem coach for an emotionally difficult issue.

Dirk Verburg: Why do you believe most ideas are bad ideas, and why shouldn’t leaders celebrate failure when trying to build an innovative culture?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: We must move past the “kindergarten version of innovation” where we pretend every idea is lovely. Innovation is risky because, as a fact from research, most ideas don’t work out. They may not fit, or they may just be plain bad. If you pretend all ideas are good, you are lying to people, and they know you are playing a game. There is room for “adult innovation,” which means treating people like the intelligent individuals they are and saying, “We know not all ideas are good. We need your help to find the good ones.” The same applies to celebrating failure. When I saw it, it never felt genuine; it felt like leaders were pressed to do it. We should focus on what works and not play these games.

Dirk Verburg: Why is focus so important for innovation when it sounds counterintuitive to the common advice of “think outside the box” and throwing everything at the wall?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: It is not about mindset; it is about understanding what innovation looks like. The “brainstorm island” approach, where employees are told “all ideas are good,” doesn’t work when time and resources are constrained. The leaders we saw succeeding deliberately pointed their employees in the direction of an important problem. Leaders have the vantage point to understand which issues cost the business money or which customers dislike. Simply telling your people, “Here is an issue, here is how much it matters to the business—now get creative about that,” makes a tremendous difference. The opposite is the suggestion box, which is an “idea graveyard.” Leaders are well-positioned to focus their people’s efforts, providing a massive return on motivation. Creativity is best put in service of something that matters, moving away from blue-sky brainstorming.

Dirk Verburg: Successful innovation is as much about politics as it is about having a great idea. Why is this so, and how can leaders support staff in bringing their ideas safely over the organizational line?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: Many creative people hate politics, thinking, “I don’t want to play that game.” This is a mistake. If you work in a big organization, politics is part of the context. It can hinder you if you ignore it, or help you if you know how to harness it. Successful innovators understand and embrace this. An example is Jordan Cohen at Pfizer, who focused on the politics to succeed. He had a senior person informally help him navigate the organizational waters, offering simple guidance like: “Don’t take this to procurement; they won’t understand it. Take it to commercial operations; they will see the potential.” Simple guidance from someone who understands the politics can make a huge difference. As a leader, you should do this for your people yourself, or connect them to someone who can help. Ignoring politics does not work.

Dirk Verburg: Do you have any final recommendations for leaders in supporting company-wide innovation that we have not yet discussed?

Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg: Your first job is to diagnose what is going on. Before jumping into action, study what has and hasn’t happened in the past to understand what is holding you back from delivering better results. Like a doctor, you need to diagnose the patient first: is the issue about funding, politics, or lack of focus? Once you have diagnosed the problem, the second component is to understand what behaviors need to change, not just mindsets. What do leaders, including yourself, need to do differently? The prominent guidelines we discussed are the things that will help you make progress when you know what you actually have to do Monday morning.

► About Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg

Thomas has worked with managers in nearly all parts of the globe, including China, India, Russia, Singapore, Britain, France and his native country, Denmark. His research has been featured in Harvard Business Review, The Economist, The Sunday Times, The Telegraph, BBC Radio, Bloomberg Businessweek and the Financial Times. His work on innovation led HR Magazine to recognize him as a “Top 20 International Thinker”.

As an executive advisor and keynote speaker, Thomas has addressed organizations such as Cisco, Microsoft, Citigroup, Time Warner, AbbVie, Caterpillar, Amgen, Prudential, Union Pacific, Credit Suisse, Deloitte, the Wall Street Journal, and the United Nations. Thomas holds an MA in Media Science from the University of Copenhagen and an MBA from IESE Business School. Prior to his business career, Thomas served for four years as an officer with the Danish Royal Guards.

► Five nested strategies to reframe your thinking of a problem to make sure you’re solving for the right things:

1. Look outside the frame. What are we missing?

2. Rethink the goal. Is there a better objective to pursue?

3. Examine bright spots. Where is the problem not?

4. Look in the mirror. What is my/our role in creating this problem?

5. Take their perspective. What is their problem?

► 5+1 Key actions leaders who want others to act as innovation architects should take

1. Focus: Direct people to look only for ideas that matter to the business. (Focus beats freedom)

2. Connect: Urge people to connect to new worlds (customers, colleagues, external experts). (Insight comes from the outside)

3. Tweak: Challenge people to test, challenge, and reframe their initial ideas repeatedly. (First ideas are flawed)

4. Select: Guide people to filter and select the best ideas and discard the rest. (Most ideas are bad ideas)

5. Stealthstorm: Help people navigate the internal organizational politics of innovation. (Stealthstorming rules)

6. Persist: Motivate everyone to continue pursuing the other five keystone behaviors. (Creativity is a choice)

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Toxic Leadership – Does Your Leader Have A Dark Triad?

‘Guys, I will always have your back’, she said when she became our leader … until she did not.

We all know the stories about how notorious dictators like Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Saddam Hussein, not only ruled their countries with an iron fist, but had an inner circle of followers that were on the one hand attracted to them and craving for their approval, and on the other hand continuously on their toes, out of fear of falling out of favor and being ‘purged’ as a result. A contemporary example of such a dictator is Kim Jong Un.

Nowadays, we would say these dictators had a ‘dark triad’. 

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Successfully Selling Professional Services – Interview Matt Dixon (‘The Activator Advantage’)

‘Eating radishes’

That is how, according to Matt Dixon, many ‘doer-sellers’ experience selling their services.

People do not become management consultants, executive coaches, accountants, lawyers, or engineers to sell. However, for those working in professional service firms or independently, selling is an integral part of their role.

At the same time, professional sales processes are changing. More and more professional services are sourced through RFPs, and buying committees are replacing traditional client relationships. This means that doer-sellers need to change their approach to sales in order to stay relevant.

Based on an extensive quantitative study of nearly three thousand partners across industries such as law, accounting, consulting, investment banking, executive search, and public relations, five distinct seller types within professional service industries were identified; however only one of them, the Activator, consistently drives growth.

In the 33rd episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I interviewed Matt Dixon from DCM Insights about ‘The Activator Advantage – What Today’s Rainmakers Do Differently‘.

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Have you ever considered taking a stimuli-rich holiday?

For a number of people, the summer holidays represent the mental equivalent of an oasis in a desert: a perfect opportunity to temporarily escape their daily grind and the stress of their work.

Although holidays are a fairly new invention in the history of mankind, and actually only a privilege for a, largely Western Europe-based, minority of the workforce, we ascribe almost magical powers to them. The most important ‘super’ power is the one that suggests that if we take one or more weeks off and label this ‘a holiday’, we are fully relaxed and ready to face our challenges in the workplace again.

Switching off?

However, many people find it hard to mentally switch off from their work during their holidays. Usually, they spend the first days of the holidays decompressing from their work, and they switch back on a couple of days before their work starts again.

I firmly belonged to this category as well.

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‘Ensuring successful CEO transitions’ – Interview Ty Wiggins (‘The New CEO’)

Why do people want to become CEO in the first place?” That was one of the first questions I posed to Ty Wiggins during our interview for the Leadership 2.0 Podcast.

After all, the statistics are sobering:

Being a CEO comes with immense responsibility because the CEO is ultimately accountable for the company’s entire trajectory, from strategic wins like M&As to major setbacks like corporate scandals.

Every day, CEOs must make tough decisions on issues that can’t be resolved at lower levels. More often than not, these choices are a matter of picking the ‘least unattractive’ option. These decisions have a significant influence on the lives and financial well-being of all stakeholders. This broad group includes employees, investors (e.g., pension funds), consumers, suppliers, and government bodies.

In the 32nd episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I interview Ty Wiggins of Russell Reynolds about his book ‘The New CEO – Lessons from CEOs on How to Start Well and Perform Quickly (Minus the Common Mistakes)’.

During our conversation, we discussed the following topics:

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‘ESG: Farce of Force for Good?’ – An Interview with Sander Tideman (‘Triple Value Leadership’)

‘You need to provide recyclable note paper to demonstrate the commitment of our company to sustainability’, I was told when I co-organized a meeting where the vast majority of participants arrived by airplane, most of them on intercontinental flights…

I have always been quite cynical about ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) and CSR (Corporate Social Responsibility) initiatives from public companies.

Some of my favorite examples include:

  • A “Big Oil” company using the “greenness” of suppliers as a selection criterion in the purchasing process
  • A Financial Services company that directly contributed to the Euro crisis but gave its employees an afternoon off to paint schools in derelict areas to “give back to society”
  • ESG leaders flying en masse to conferences in New York to discuss how to make the world a more sustainable place
  • Companies that started “recalibrating” their DEI efforts in the aftermath of the last US presidential election.

The behavior of most pubic companies in the ESG and CSR space always strikes me as ‘Do as I say, not what I do’. Not because the leaders of these companies are inherently ‘evil’ or ‘immoral’, but simply because, when push comes to shove (most often under pressure from their supervisory boards, or activist shareholders), they do not seem to have an alternative but to let Shareholder Value prevail in their decision-making process.


‘People, Planet, and Profit. But the greatest of these is Profit…’


🎙️ ‘A big conversation with big questions’, that is how Sander Tideman characterized the conversation I had with him about ESG and CSR.

Sander is a researcher, author, entrepreneur and executive coach in sustainable leadership. He works with leaders to build flourishing organizations equipped to address the unprecedented challenges of today. He has worked for and consulted with leading organizations on three continents, and is publicly known for his work with top leaders in, for instance, Unilever.

In the 31th episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I interview Sander about the question if and how pubic companies and our society should adopt ESG and CSR concepts.

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From”I Have To” to “I Choose To”: A High-Achiever’s Two-Step Guide to prevent Burnout

Many high performers are inclined to take on too much responsibility. These people are often a dream for the companies they work for: in addition to being dedicated and hardworking, they are always willing to go the extra mile. However, as a result, a number of them experience serious work-life balance issues, and some even suffer from mental and/or physical health problems.

These issues do not stem from the content of their work; they all like their work. Instead, these issues stem from the fact that they assume responsibility for elements in their work that they cannot control.

A Blast from the Past: Stephen Covey

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‘Maximizing the Business Opportunity of Generational Diversity’ – An Interview with Rebecca Robins and Patrick Dunne (‘Five Generations at Work’)

❗ ‘We live in the most Generationally Diverse Demographic’ (Rebecca Robins).

🚫 Unfortunately, generational differences are often seen as a source of problems – sometimes misunderstood, and exaggerated by social media.

⁉️ However, what would happen if we saw Generational Differences as Opportunities instead of Issues?

📖 This is precisely the topic of the book ‘Five Generations at Work: How We Win Together, For Good’ by Rebecca Robins CMgr CCMI and Patrick Dunne.

🎙️ In the 30th episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I interview Rebecca Robins CMgr CCMI and Patrick Dunne about ‘Maximising the business opportunity of generational diversity’

During our conversation, we discussed the following topics:

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The Strategic Value of Learning & Development – An interview with Nick van Dam

🚫 Many organizations mistakenly relegate Learning & Development (L&D) to a “nice-to-have” status. It’s seen as something every HR organization needs to have (if only for the optics), but often the prevailing attitude is that, while great L&D is a pleasant surprise, if it falls short, there’s no serious harm done to the organization.

❗This is often reflected in bland L&D offerings, which, more often than not, are so generic, that they fail to address the strategic issues organizations need to address

⁉️ However, what would happen if organizations truly would treat Learning & Development as a strategic instrument?

🎙️ In the 29th episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I interview Nick van Dam about ‘The Strategic Value of Learning & Development’. Nick van Dam is an internationally recognized thought leader, advisor, executive coach, researcher, facilitator, and best-selling (co-) author of more than 29 books on Leadership, Organizational Behavior, and Corporate Learning & Talent Management.

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‘Trust You Gut – Decision Making and Intuition’ – An interview with Eugene Sadler-Smith

We are always informed by our intuition when it comes to making decisions. More often than not our intuition is ‘right’, but there are also situations when we should definitely not rely on our intuition.

Being able to determine when to use our intuition and when not, often means the difference between our success and failure.

In my second interview with Professor Eugene Sadler-Smith for the Leadership 2.0 Podcast, we discussed the role of intuition in decision-making processes.

During our conversation, we touched on the following topics:

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Heroic Leadership – An interview with Chris Lowney

Many people in the workplace wrestle with combining their ethical and spiritual convictions on the one hand, with what they feel is required of them to progress their careers, or simply to stay in their roles, on the other.

For people who want to address this tension, ‘Heroic Leadership – Best Practices from a 450-Year-Old Company That Changed the World’ by Chris Lowney. ‘ will be a great read!

Chris Lowney, is a one-time Jesuit seminarian, who currently chairs the board of CommonSpirit Health, America’s largest not-for-profit healthcare system with 140 hospitals and more than 150,000 employees. Previously, he served as a Managing Director of J.P. Morgan & Co. in Tokyo, Singapore, London and New York.

In the 28th episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I interview Chris Lowney about Heroic Leadership. During our conversation, we discussed the following topics:

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Coaching in the workplace – An interview with Zena Everett

Most of us are acutely aware of the gap between how organizations aspire to operate and the everyday reality of working within them.

This discrepancy often has a negative impact on the motivation and well-being of employees, ranging from a decrease in employee engagement, to mental health issues,

In her book ‘Badly Behaved People’, my fellow executive coach Zena Everett describes a number of real-world cases about how this discrepancy can manifest itself, and, perhaps more importantly, how we can address them

What I particularly like about about this book is how Zena makes complex psychological concepts (for instance, Transactional Analysis) accessible without oversimplifying them, and demonstrates how they can be applied in the workplace.

In our conversation about her book, Zena and I discussed the following topics:

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Book Review: ‘What’s Your Type?’ – The history of the MBTI

Because I extensively use the MBTI when coaching executives, and because of my general interest in the work of the Swiss Psychiatrist Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), I was looking forward to read ‘What’s Your Type? – The Strange History of Myers-Briggs and the Birth of Personality Testing’ by Merve Emre.

For those not familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), the MBTI has been developed by Katherine Briggs (1875-1968) and her daughter Isabel Myers (1897-1980) on the basis of Jung’s Personality (‘Type’) Theory. It enables the categorization of individual personalities in 4 dimensions, resulting in the (well-known) 16 different ‘types’ (e.g., ‘ISTJ’ or ‘ENFP’).

Function PreferencePreference
Energy I – Introversion (ideas) E – Extroversion (people)
Perception S – Sensing (data) N – Intuition (intuition)
Judgment T – Thinking F – Feeling
Attitude towards outside world J – Judging P – Perceiving

Until a decade ago, the MBTI was one of the most popular personality assessment instruments, and, although it is far less popular today than it used to be, it is still extensively (ab)used.

For this reason, I was very curious to read the book. Unfortunately, I found it a mixed bag.

What I do not like about this book

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‘The Change Philosopher’ – An interview with Daniël Wolfs

🎙️ Even though we have a vast array of change management theories and methodologies at our disposal (John Kotter, Kurt Lewin, Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, William Bridges, ADKAR, etc.), it still proves to be very hard for us as leaders and consultants to implement real, sustainable change (transformation).

🚫 The harsh reality is that most change projects fail (the famous 70% of McKinsey), or end with a superficial victory declaration, after which the organization often falls back to ‘the way we DID things here’.

⁉️ ‘Why is that?’ That very question drove Daniël Wolfs, experienced change consultant and co-founder of The Change Studio (Netherlands), to write his thought-provoking book ‘De Veranderfilosoof’ (The Change Philosopher) on how we can approach transformation in a deeper, more human, and more sustainable way.’

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Select the right members and agenda items for your Leadership Team

Most leaders leave the composition and agendas of their leadership teams to chance. This is a waste of time, energy, and focus.

Almost all senior leaders choose the members of their leadership teams almost by default: all their direct reports, as well as a selection of participants from staffing and back-office roles ‘in the matrix’ (Finance, HR, IT, Regulatory, Affairs, Communications, Quality Assurance, etc.).

The advantages of composing leadership teams in this way are that:

✅ Representatives of all functions are aware of every topic that is discussed (information and awareness)

✅ Participants from staffing and back-office functions feel they (and their functions) are taken seriously as true ‘business partners’

✅ The leader avoids difficult discussions about the composition of their leadership team

Although this sounds great, this typically results in:

❌ Large teams

❌ Long meetings

❌ Meeting agendas that lack a clear focus

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DIY Culture Change at Zurich Airport – An interview with Manuela Staub

Most organizations rely on complex tools, processes, and external consultants to analyze and reshape their culture.

When I heard Manuela Staub on a seminar describing the pragmatic, inclusive, and effective way the leadership team at Zurich Airport Ltd approached their culture change program in a DYI mode (in the midst of the COVID19 pandemic!), using megatrends as a driver, I immediately knew I wanted to interview her for my Leadership 2.0 podcast…


In our conversation, we discussed the following topics:

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‘Employment is Dead’ – An interview with Deborah Perry Piscione

Earlier this week, one of the most important business books on the Future of Work was published by Harvard Business Review Press: ‘Employment Is Dead: How Disruptive Technologies Are Revolutionizing the Way We Work’ by Deborah Perry Piscione and Josh Drean.

The central theme of this book is that traditional employment models are becoming outdated due to the evolving needs and expectations of the modern workforce, in combination with, and enabled by, disruptive technologies.

This will lead to the end of the traditional employment model, as well as the traditional form of companies, as we know them today.

Monday, just hours before the book was released, I had the chance to interview Deborah Perry Piscione for my Leadership 2.0 Podcast.

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Relationships Matter – Interview Ralph Schonenbach

Ralph Schonenbach is a serial entrepreneur whose work centers around developing and nurturing relationships. www.trymeerkat.ai is his latest start-up, and in this episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I talk with Ralph about this venture, as well as his book ‘Relationships matter’, which was recently published.

In our conversation, we touched on the following topics:

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Leadership in the Banking Industry – Interview Ralph Hamers

The image of the banking industry has been severely tarnished by the financial crisis (2007-2008), which led to increasing regulatory and compliance demands. At the same time, the industry is experiencing emerging competition from FinTechs, evolving business models, and disruptive technologies.

In light of these challenges, I recently spoke with Ralph Hamers, to explore his views on what effective leadership in the banking sector entails.

In our conversation, we touched on the following topics:

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How FOUND is Disrupting Recruitment – Interview with Victor Akwunwa

In many recruitment processes, human beings are reduced to commodities, and human dignity has become an afterthought.

More often than not, recruitment has become a volume-driven exercise, where metrics like ‘time to fill’ have replaced the craftsmanship essential for identifying the best candidate for the role. As a result, candidates often find these processes unsatisfactory, as their potential unique contributions and value to organizations are not adequately recognized.

FOUND, a Swiss-based start-up company, wants to disrupt this traditional approach to recruitment. I recently interviewed Victor Akwunwa, the Chief Sales Officer of FOUND for my Leadership 2.0 podcast.

During our conversation, we discussed the following topics:

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Why reducing corporate overhead costs is not a ‘Get Out of Jail Free card’

It is tempting for CEOs to try to appease their shareholders by reducing corporate overhead costs. It seems to be the corporate equivalent of a ‘Get Out of Jail Free card’ in Monopoly: it is free and can get a CEO out of a tricky situation.

The reason is that everyone loves the notion of lowering corporate overhead costs, and especially reducing the number of people in corporate roles.

Whereas the supervisory board occasionally might call for caution, you will never hear shareholders or analysts complain and Business Unit leaders usually love the perspective of lower corporate charges and more independence. Most often, corporate functions cannot count on a lot of sympathy from the rest of the workforce either. They are seen as overpaid ‘bureaucrats’, ‘paper pushers’, and ‘PowerPoint wizards’ in ‘back-office’ roles.

Reducing overhead is also not very difficult. Usually, there are plenty of young runners-up in large organizations dying to prove themselves to corporate leaders. If not, consulting firms are happy to line up for beauty parades to show off their capabilities in this area.

It is also not that hard – at least, I have never seen a corporate cost savings initiative not achieving its short-term financial objectives.

So eliminating or reducing these corporate functions is a great idea, right?

Unfortunately, it depends…

Eliminating or reducing corporate functions poses risks for CEOs in three areas:

  • Compliance
  • Shareholder activism
  • Boardroom dynamics
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The Company Culture of On – An interview with Alessandra Del Pino

There are some companies I deeply admire, and On, the Swiss sports and apparel brand is definitely one of them! Not only do they make amazing products and have an extremely powerful brand, they also have a unique company culture.

For this reason, I was thrilled to sit down with Alessandra Del Pino, Head of Engagement & Talent Growth at On, to discuss the company culture of On, or, as Alessandra describes it, their ‘secret sauce’.

During our conversation, we covered the following topics:

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The Corporate Recruitment process is ready for Disruption

I coach several people who are looking for another role, and it seems that the user satisfaction with the average recruitment process is even worse than in 2018, when I wrote a blog post with the title: ‘Recruiters should stop spraying and praying’.

In this post I wrote ‘We should therefore not be surprised if, in the near future, recruitment will become an AI-fuelled war between recruiting bots used by corporate recruiters, and application bots used by candidates.’

Today it looks like my predictions have become reality.

A ’sub-optimal’ candidate experience

What are the frustrations on the supply side of the market i.e. from the candidates? Here are the things I hear from my coachees:

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‘What is Humanistic Management?’ – An Interview with Professor Michael Pirson

‘Everyone who wins nowadays is challenging the Shareholder Value Maximization doctrine’

This is just one of the powerful and thought-provoking statements Professor Michael Pirson (Fordham University – Gabelli School of Business) made when I interviewed him about ‘Humanistic Management’.

In the last decades, the shortcomings of the neo-liberal economic order in our society have become clearer than ever (e.g. the credit crunch, climate change, and wars). An increasing number of people want to move away from a system that commoditizes human beings, and the natural environment in which they live.

They seek, amongst others, dignity, a sense of purpose, and attention to well-being, instead of material prosperity only.

Humanistic Management is a relatively young academic movement that seeks to create a more balanced relationship between those things that can be exchanged on markets and those that are not but make life worthwhile.

Michael Pirson is an active member of this movement, and in this episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I discuss with him

1️⃣ What Humanistic Management is
2️⃣ How Michael discovered Humanistic Management
3️⃣ What we as mankind can learn from the Covid 19 Pandemic
4️⃣ Measuring Wealth versus Wellbeing
5️⃣ Will Shareholder Value (Economistic Management) not always prevail?
6️⃣ Is Humanistic Management industry agnostic?
7️⃣ Resources on Humanistic Management
8️⃣ Final Thoughts

👇 You can watch or listen to this podcast episode on


➡️ YouTube
➡️ Apple Podcasts
➡️ Spotify

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‘The Leader as Healer’ (Business Book of the year 2023) – An interview with Nicolas Janni

‘A transformational read that every leader of today needs’.

These were the words Head Judge, Jacq Burns used when she announced that ‘Leader As Healer’, written by Nicholas Janni was selected as the overall winner for the 2023 Business Book Awards.

In his book, Nicolas Janni argues that we need a new leadership model to address the challenges our society faces.

Our current leadership model is one where we see great leaders as warriors ‘on the battlefield of relentless competition’, who drive action, pursue instrumental (shareholder value related) goals, and maintain transactional relationships.

Instead, Nicholas Janni pleads for leaders who are empathetic, intuitive, present, skilled in mindfulness and deep listening, and who can inspire colleagues to engage and collaborate.

In this episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I discuss with Nicholas:

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How NOT to select participants for a Leadership Development program

I recently heard an HR leader proudly explain her rigorous selection process for a basic leadership program aimed at newly appointed people leaders. She first pre-selected potential participants based on their performance ratings, then personally interviewed all the top performers. Those who passed were sent by her for a final interview with a senior business leader, and only the successful candidates were allowed to attend the training.

While I appreciated her personal involvement and the engagement of the business leader in the selection process, I do not think this is the right approach.

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Leadership lessons from a CEO – An interview with Jeroen van der Veer (Shell)

Twenty years ago, in 2004, Shell was hit by the reserves scandal. In the midst of this crisis, the board asked Jeroen van der Veer to become CEO and navigate the company out of this crisis. Recently Jeroen wrote a book titled ‘Van A near B – Lessen in leiderschap’ (‘From A to B – Lessons in Leadership’), in which he reflects on these, and other experiences during his long career (which also included for instance being the chairman of the supervisory board of ING during the financial crisis).

In this episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I discuss with Jeroen:

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MBTI practitioners: do not shoehorn your clients into a type — do this one thing instead

In my previous post about MBTI I stressed the importance to review the outcomes of this personality assessment with clients, to make sure they understand the outcomes and recognize themselves in their type. However, often practitioners become stuck in these reviews if clients do not indicate their preferred behaviors. Although it is tempting for practitioners to try to shoehorn clients into a specific type, doing so is likely the least productive and helpful approach.

What was the MBTI again?

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‘The evolving role of the HR function’ – An interview with Dave Ulrich

With the publication of his bestseller ‘HR Champions’ in 1997, Dave Ulrich signaled the potential for HR functions to develop themselves from ‘administrative support functions’ into strategic and mission-critical ones (my words—not Dave’s!).

The book served as a catalyst for a vast number of HR organizations to critically review their roles, activity portfolios and structures. As a result, many organizations defined HR strategies, and initiated HR transformation projects to realize these.

All in all, Dave published over 200 articles and book chapters and over 30 books. He edited Human Resource Management 1990-1999, served on the editorial board of 4 other journals and on the Board of Directors for Herman Miller (16 years), has spoken to large audiences in 90 countries; performed workshops for over half of the Fortune 200; coached successful business leaders, and is a Distinguished Fellow in the National Academy of Human Resources.

During our conversation, Dave and I discussed the following topics:

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A successful corporate culture change requires leaders to be the change they want to see

Culture change is firmly back on the map! More and more companies are starting to reflect (again) what their culture is and what it should be.

More often than not, such a culture review is initiated by the CEO. The reason is that CEOs have a unique position in organizations: they often see both the current performance of the organization, as well as its unrealized potential. In case CEOs do not see this unrealized potential themselves, their Supervisory Boards, analysts and (activist) shareholders will point it out to them quickly enough.

Unrealized potential

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Focus on your Strengths – An interview with Sally Bibb

‘I defy anybody to be energized by most appraisal systems I have seen in my career’ – Sally Bibb

As HR professionals and line managers (present company included!), we tend to take the strengths of our staff for granted and focus most of our attention on their ‘development areas’ (a euphemism for weaknesses).

The question is, however, how effective this is, and which business opportunities we miss, by following this approach.

Sally Bibb, partner at PA Consulting, leader and author in the field of strengths-based approaches to people and organisations, proposes a radically different approach and advocates focusing on strengths instead of weaknesses.

To find out what Strength Management is, and how we can implement it, I interviewed her for my Leadership 2.0 podcast.

During our conversation, Sally and I discussed the following topics:

0️⃣1️⃣ What Strength Management is

0️⃣2️⃣ How Sally became interested in the topic

0️⃣3️⃣ Is Strength Management incompatible with a Growth Mindset?

0️⃣4️⃣ Why most HR professionals remain focused on Development Areas

0️⃣5️⃣ Implementing Strength Management in HR Processes

0️⃣6️⃣ How can appraisals be improved?

0️⃣7️⃣ Is strength management a generational phenomenon?

0️⃣8️⃣ Will AI support Strength Management?

0️⃣9️⃣ Issues Sally is asked to address by her clients

1️⃣0️⃣ Final thoughts on strength management

Where to find this podcast episode

➡️ YouTube https://youtu.be/ttda6fo17UY

➡️ Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/ch/podcast/focusing-on-strengths-sally-bibb/id1511327057?i=1000662123215

➡️ Spotify https://open.spotify.com/episode/4VXi6nM5qzUHilN86Ef6yW?si=JVWrNVv1TbmhNFIU4FaZYg

➡️ No time to watch or listen to podcast now? Here is a short summary of our conversation ⤵

Dirk Verburg: I was classically trained as a line manager to focus on development areas to create “all-round” people. What are the advantages of focusing on a person’s strengths instead?

Sally Bibb: A strength is something you are naturally drawn to, that energizes you, and that you’re good at. Twenty years of neurobiological evidence shows that when people use their strengths, they are happier, more resilient, and perform better. Football managers, for example, know each player’s strengths and don’t try to make them all-rounders. While a team can be good at everything, an individual cannot. Focusing on strengths is not about ignoring weaknesses, but about intentionally using what you’re great at. Spending too much time on things you’re not good at will cause your motivation to drop, and your performance will be good at best—not great.

Dirk Verburg: Where does your personal interest in strengths come from? Did you have an experience that inspired you to focus on this topic?

Sally Bibb: My interest stems from an early experience in my career. I was promoted from a job I loved, which involved crewing ships, to one that required doing research for trade union negotiations. I was good at the first job because it leveraged my strengths in connecting with people and problem-solving. The second job, however, was a poor fit. I felt a loss of confidence and didn’t understand why until years later at a conference. A Harvard professor spoke about the emerging field of positive psychology and focusing on what’s right with people. That was a lightbulb moment for me. I realized there was nothing wrong with me; I was just a square peg in a round hole. This experience inspired me to study what makes great salespeople so successful, which was my first foray into applying strengths to the workplace.

Dirk Verburg: How do you see the relationship between strengths management and the desire to adopt a “growth mindset”? Are they contradictory, or do they strengthen each other?

Sally Bibb: I think they are highly complementary. A growth mindset—the belief that you can learn and grow—is important whether you are playing to your strengths or working on something you’re not good at. The growth mindset is not about being good at everything, but about being open to learning. For example, I worked with an executive who had never been in an innovative environment before. By having a growth mindset, he discovered a new strength in “joining the dots” and making connections. Had he not been open to this, he might have boxed himself in, assuming he wasn’t an innovative person. A growth mindset helps you discover new strengths and apply existing ones to new challenges.

Dirk Verburg: Why do you think many people in HR and talent management still focus so much on areas of development, even though the thinking has moved on?

Sally Bibb: I think a lot of it is organizational inertia. Organizations tend to do what they’ve always done, like using traditional competency frameworks and appraisal systems, even when they know these systems don’t energize people or get the best results. The organizations I work with that adopt a strengths-based approach do so because they want different outcomes, like improved performance and morale. Adopting this approach is a gradual process that requires a leader with a clear focus and determination to change things. I hope that in the next ten years, a strengths-based approach will be the norm, with new generations of leaders recognizing the benefits of this way of thinking.

Dirk Verburg: How would you practically conduct a strengths-based interview?

Sally Bibb: First, you have to know what strengths are needed for the role. For example, we studied the strengths of exemplary midwives in charge of labor wards. We found that the best ones share certain strengths beyond their clinical competencies, like a strong sense of doing the right thing. In a strengths-based interview, you ask candidates about those specific strengths. For example, “Tell me about a time when you had to ensure the right thing was done.” If it is a genuine strength, you can see their face light up and they can easily provide examples. In contrast, if you don’t know what “great” looks like for that role, a strengths interview is difficult to do effectively. The key is to match the candidate’s natural inclinations with the specific strengths that you know are critical for success in that job.

Dirk Verburg: What can we do to make classic performance interviews more meaningful by applying a strengths-based approach?

Sally Bibb: A strengths-based performance discussion should be an ongoing conversation throughout the year, not just a one-off event. It should focus on three things: the strengths you’re using regularly, the strengths you have that you might not be using, and the “weaknesses that matter”—the ones that are really getting in your way. Instead of criticizing, you can have a collaborative conversation about how to mitigate those weaknesses. This could involve using your strengths to compensate, getting help from colleagues, or finding ways to avoid the task altogether. This approach makes people feel relaxed and authentic because they don’t have to pretend to be perfect. The conversation becomes focused on potential and how to make the person even better at what they already do well.

Dirk Verburg: I have the impression that focusing on strengths comes more naturally to younger generations than to baby boomers or millennials. Would you agree with that observation?

Sally Bibb: That’s an interesting observation, and I’m not aware of any specific research on it. However, people in their 20s and 30s were raised in an era of “positive parenting” and a greater focus on self-esteem. They are often less modest and more willing to talk about their strengths. In contrast, older generations can be more modest. This is also culturally influenced. In the United States, people are generally more comfortable discussing their strengths, whereas in the UK and Switzerland, modesty can be a national sport. I see modesty as being a bit overrated, as not talking about your strengths can inhibit your ability to serve others and be overlooked for opportunities.

Dirk Verburg: You work with very big clients. What are the starting points for you in those conversations when a client wants to think about a strengths-based approach?

Sally Bibb: Clients rarely ask for a strengths-based approach directly. They come with business problems like: “We need to improve our performance,” “We need to improve our safety,” or “We need to improve staff morale and engagement.” These are the real-world problems that a strengths-based approach can solve. When clients see the impact of this approach, they like it because it connects with people and makes common sense. It’s not just a psychometric tool; it translates into hard returns and measurable outcomes. The private equity sector, for example, has been a leader in this thinking because they know that having the right combination of strengths in a leadership team is critical to a successful investment.

Dirk Verburg: We’ve discussed a lot of elements around strengths. Is there anything we haven’t touched on that you would like to mention?

Sally Bibb: There’s just one thing that’s very dear to my heart. From women in prison to senior executives, people often don’t really know their strengths or their value. The strengths-based approach makes people feel good about themselves and the contribution they make. This is the best starting point for helping people realize their potential. If we could bring this thinking into the public and political arena, there would be less burnout, less imposter syndrome, and more satisfaction and engagement at work. It’s a win-win-win for individuals, employers, and society as a whole.

▶ About Sally Bibb

She started her career working for BT International and then moved into an international role at The Economist Group before founding the strengths consultancy Engaging Minds in 2012. In 2021, she joined PA Consulting as a partner to advance her vision of bringing strengths to many more employers worldwide.

In this role, she leads strengths-based organizational change work in Europe, the USA, and Asia, and has built a track record of achieving transformational results for a number of high-profile clients in both the private, as well as in the public sector.

Sally has an MSc in organizational change from the University of Surrey and has (co-)authored eight books. A full list can be found here: https://sallybibb.com/my-books/

She is a fellow of the RSA (Royal Society of Arts) and a member of the steering committee of The Daedalus Trust, a charity founded by Lord David Owen to promote research into hubris syndrome in business.

Resources

Website Sally Bibb

Books by Sally Bibb

Church Politics: The three organizational challenges congregational churches face

Applying Mintzberg’s concept of Community Ships

Recently I interviewed Henry Mintzberg about his latest book ‘Understanding Organizations…Finally!: Structuring in Sevens’. Central in Henry Mintzberg’s work about organizations is the question how they organize themselves to get work done.

Although his research and examples largely originate from organizations in the private and public sector, in his latest book he also describes a special kind of organization that does not fit into one of these categories: ‘The Community Ship’.

According to Mintzberg, Community Ships have the following characteristics:

  • Their culture forces the community to pull together
  • Members of the community are considered to be more than employees
  • The community is tightly knit and operates differently from other organizations in their environment (like a ship at sea).
  • The community closes ranks to protect itself from influences from the outside world, or use its position for evangelism (‘to launch missives at whatever they want to change on shore’.)

Congregational church communities as Community Ships

In this post I apply Mintzberg’s concept of ‘Community Ships’ to congregational church communities.

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How to ensure successful leadership transitions – An interview with Michael Watkins

The statistics are sobering: not only do 49% of external executive hires end in failure within 18 months, but internal moves prove to be challenging as well. For instance, 40% of internal job moves involving high potentials also end in failure.

Besides the fact that these failures often have a traumatic impact on the individuals involved, the costs for the organisations are huge. Not only in terms of image and hiring costs but, more importantly, in terms of opportunity costs.

To find out why leadership transitions prove to be so hard, and what companies and individuals can do about it, I interviewed Michael Watkins for my Leadership 2.0 podcast.

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‘Understanding organizations…Finally’ – An interview with Interview with Henry Mintzberg

‘We live in a world of organizations – and we do not understand them’

This is one of the statements Henry Mintzberg, one of the leading thinkers in the field of Management, made when I interviewed him for my Leadership 2.0 Podcast about his latest book ‘Understanding Organizations…Finally’.

During our conversation, we discussed the following topics:

0️⃣1️⃣ The importance for organizations to get their structure ‘right’
0️⃣2️⃣ The evolvement of Henry’s thinking about organizations
0️⃣3️⃣ ‘Every (organization) form contains the seeds of its own destruction’
0️⃣4️⃣ ‘Emergent structures’ versus large-scale reorganizations
0️⃣5️⃣ The fit between the leader and the structure of the organization
0️⃣6️⃣ The structures of Apple and Tesla and the personalities of their founders
0️⃣7️⃣ The complementary role of conflict and culture in organizations
0️⃣8️⃣ The relationship between the structure and the culture of an organization
0️⃣9️⃣ The gap between formulators and implementers of corporate strategies
1️⃣0️⃣ The interest in structuring organizations in academia and business

You can watch or listen to this podcast episode on:

▶ YouTube https://youtu.be/sDWnSgQNmKs

▶ Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/ch/podcast/henry-mintzberg-understanding-organizations-finally/id1511327057?i=1000656746374

▶ Spotify https://open.spotify.com/episode/0npqef0iZdAvrOeTiRLyfV?si=VIJT0CjrRF6Zhm6379JIHg

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‘The advantages and limitations of intuition in decision-making’ – An interview with Eugene Sadler-Smith

We are always informed by our intuition when it comes to making decisions. More often than not our intuition is ‘right’, but there are also situations when we should definitely not rely on our intuition.

Being able to determine when to use our intuition and when not, often means the difference between our success and failure.

In my second interview with Professor Eugene Sadler-Smith for the Leadership 2.0 Podcast, we discussed the role of intuition in decision-making processes.

During our conversation, we touched on the following topics:

0️⃣1️⃣ What intuition is and what it is not
0️⃣2️⃣ The two types of intuition
0️⃣3️⃣ Adopting an Ambidextrous Mindset
0️⃣4️⃣ How to take important decisions in business
0️⃣5️⃣ Carl Jung and Intuition
0️⃣6️⃣ Why the intuitive mind is a slow learner
0️⃣7️⃣ Values and ethics in decision-making processes
0️⃣8️⃣ Final Thoughts – AI and intuition

You can watch or listen to this podcast episode on:

▶ YouTube https://youtu.be/yaSpG5UtAis

▶ Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/ch/podcast/the-advantages-and-limitations-of-intuition/id1511327057?i=1000654506560

▶ Spotify https://open.spotify.com/episode/6mCsVQCSuQ7XzYtQjvdem1?si=UiEy1VZlR0q1GB6XLyJPlA

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Why I still use the MBTI for executive coaching in 2024

One of the most important influencers on LinkedIn is Adam Grant. His seminal article about the MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) in 2013 initiated the downhill trajectory of the reputation of this instrument.

I think that is a pity, because I consider the MBTI as a valuable personality inventory for personal development. In this post I explain why I think that is the case, and when and how I use it in my executive coaching practice.

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‘Scenario Thinking and Leadership’ – An interview with Jeremy Bentham

Scenario thinking enables organizations to establish possible visions of the future in the form of scenarios.

These scenarios enable decision-makers to think through the different ways in which the environment of their organizations could evolve, based on different sets of assumptions. It enables leaders to ‘think through ‘a wide range of what if questions’: ‘What if the dollar…’, ‘What if China…’, ‘What if scientific developments make it possible in the near future to…’, etc. This enables them to mentally prepare themselves for possible ‘Black Swans’, and review the ability of their organization to cope with, or, iedeally, benefit from these.

One of the companies that is best known for its scenario-thinking activity is Shell. For decades, Shell’s scenarios have supported the decision-making of Shell leaders, academics, governments, and businesses.

Jeremy Bentham led this activity in Shell between 2006 and his retirement in 2022 as Shell Scenarios & strategy Leader and VP Global Business Environment.
In this episode of the Leadership 2.0 podcast, I am interviewing Jeremy Bentham about scenario thinking and leadership.

During our conversation, Jeremy and I discussed the following topics:

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The four key questions every business leader needs to answer about AI

Karl Marx famously said, ‘A specter is haunting Europe—the specter of Communism’. Nowadays we can say ‘A specter is haunting the business world – the specter of AI’.

Everyone seems to be riding on the AI bandwagon nowadays, and, as a result, many business leaders are suffering from corporate FOMO.

One thing is clear though, all business leaders need to reflect on the impact AI will have on their organizations. Too many organizations have disappeared because of technological disruptions, including the likes of Kodak, Polaroid, DEC, Motorola, Blackberry, SUN Microsystems, and Blockbuster, to name a few.

Of course, it is tempting to have an intellectual debate about which technologies are disruptive and which ones are not.  This is especially the case if technologies are built on other technologies (which is almost often the case). Without the transistor, the modern computer would not have existed, does that mean that microchips are not disruptive?

For this reason, I like this definition in Investopedia:

A disruptive technology is an innovation that significantly alters the way that consumers, industries, or businesses operate. A disruptive technology sweeps away the systems or habits it replaces because it has attributes that are recognizably superior.

Based on this definition, I think AI definitely qualifies as a disruptive technology.

When it comes to dealing with disruptive technologies, business leaders need to ask themselves four questions:

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‘From Crisis to Innovation: A Mental Health Entrepreneur’s journey’ – An interview with Vlad Gheorghiu

The World Health Organization estimates that 12 billion working days are lost every year due to depression and anxiety. This costs $1 trillion in lost productivity.

McKinsey research showed that ‘60 % of employees have experienced at least one mental-health challenge at some point in their lives’. According to the same study ‘Failing to address the effects of mental health and well-being challenges is a missed opportunity for employers’.

Employees dealing with mental health issues are 4x more likely to say they intend to leave, 3x more likely to report low job satisfaction, 3x more likely to experience toxic workplace behavior, and 2x more likely to report low engagement.

At the same time, classic Employee Assistance Programs do not seem to work…

Vlad Gheorghiu experienced mental health issues firsthand, whilst working for McKinsey. 

This experience inspired him to design solutions. First for McKinsey, and later by co-finding a start-up company called Kyan Health.

In my conversation with Vlad, we covered the following topics:

1️⃣ Vlad’s background

2️⃣ Vlad’s engagement with mental health

3️⃣ The gap in the workplace between the mental health support employees need and receive

4️⃣ The concept of Kyan Health

5️⃣ Measuring impact

6️⃣ Creating a start-up company: Three Dos

7️⃣ Creating a start-up company: Three Dont’s

8️⃣ Vlad’s role models as an entrepreneur

If you are interested, you can watch our conversation on YouTube.


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How to make a flying start in 2024 with your regional leadership team!

The vast majority of global companies have regional leadership teams. These teams are often uncomfortably situated between the corporate executive team, and their own national (sales) organizations(s).

They usually have a tough job.

Regional leadership teams often find themselves being caught in a sandwich.

On the one hand, they are being kept responsible for realizing the revenue and profit targets for their geographic area (’their’ business), whilst also ensuring ‘compliance’ in all relevant areas.

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A Scientific Perspective on Leadership Development – An interview with Ayse Yemiscigil

Everyone is an expert in Leadership Development, or at least has an opinion about it.

However, if that is the case, why do global organizations spend more than $60 billion every year on leadership development programs, but is it so hard to ensure the ROI of these programs?

To find the answer to this question, I decided to interview Ayse Yemiscigil for my Podcast Leadership 2.0.

Ayse Yemiscigil is an Assistant Professor of Organizational Behavior at Fordham University’s Gabelli School of Business and a Research Affiliate with the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University.

In February 2023, she, Dana Born, and Horace Ling, published an article for HBR.org of the Harvard Business Review titled: ‘What Makes Leadership Development Programs Succeed?’

During our conversation, we discussed the following topics:

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Boost your personal productivity with these tips from five experts

Steve Jobs said focusing “means saying no to the hundred other good ideas.”

Focusing is not something that comes naturally to me. Personally, I see opportunities everywhere around me, have a better eye for the upsides than for the downsides of these opportunities, and am blessed (cursed?) with a healthy degree of FOMO…

Therefore, I decided to make focusing my new-year resolution for 2023. 

For starters, I ordered five popular books of experts in the area of personal productivity in general, and more specifically on focusing.  

In this post, I will share my takeaways from their books. One word of warning: these are my personal takeaways – no mini-reviews! If you are looking for these, I highly recommend you to look them up on goodreads.com. 

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The Five-Factor Personality Model and the Numinous – An interview with Ralph Piedmont

Current thinking in Psychology is that there are five dimensions we can use to describe the most important personality dimensions. Dr. Ralph Piedmont discovered the 6th one: ‘the Numinous’.

The five-factor model of personality (FFM) is a set of five broad trait dimensions or domains, often referred to as the “Big Five”: Extraversion, Agreeableness, Conscientiousness, Neuroticism (sometimes named by its polar opposite, Emotional Stability), and Openness to Experience (sometimes named Intellect). The Big Five/FFM was developed to represent as much of the variability in individuals’ personalities as possible, using only a small set of trait dimensions. Many personality psychologists agree that its five domains capture the most important, basic individual differences in personality traits and that many alternative trait models can be conceptualized in terms of the Big Five/FFM structure (www.oxfordbibliographies.com).

Dr. Ralph Piedmont discovered the 6th factor: the Numinous.

During our conversation, Ralph and I discussed the following topics:

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‘Leadership and reputation management’ An interview with Matt Nixon

‘The real problem of humanity is the following: we have Paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and god-like technology’.

With this quote from Edward O. Wilson 1929 Matt Nixon answered my question if our requirements about leadership have changed in the last decades. 

Matt Nixon has more than 30 years of experience as a management consultant and HR executive, working with CEOs and senior leaders around the world. An Oxford classics graduate, he was a partner in Towers Perrin in Chicago and London, and subsequently held the positions of Global Head of Organization Effectiveness for Royal Dutch Shell, and Managing Director, Group Head of Talent for Barclays, before returning to the consulting industry.

Nowadays Matt works as a partner in a specialized consulting boutique where he coaches and advises CEOs and other senior leaders during career transitions and other periods of change and transition.

Matt has written and taught extensively on hubris in executives.

During our conversation, Matt and I discussed the following topics:

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Realizing Deep & Sustainable Behavorial Change – An interview with Arend Ardon

Why leaders should

  • reflect on their own role and behaviors to prevent self-fulfilling prophecies,
  • release control if they want to make things happen, and
  • consider creating ‘a sense of belonging’ instead of ‘burning platforms’

if they want to implement deep and sustainable behavioral change in their organizations…

These were just some of the topics I discussed with the management consultant and change management guru (although he would reject that classification!) Arend Ardon.

Arend wrote a number of bestsellers in the area of change management and leadership, and is the co-founder and co-owner of the Change Studio, a consultancy firm specializing in change management and leadership.

During our conversation, Arend and I discussed the following topics:

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Unleash the power of neurodiversity in the workplace! – An interview with Saskia Schepers

Recently I had a conversation with Saskia Schepers about her book on Neurodiversity in the workplace with the title ‘Als alle breinen werken – Waarom ruimte voor neurodiversiteit op het werk goed is voor iedereen’ (‘When all brains are switched on – Why space for neurodiversity in the workplace benefits everyone’).

Around 80% of mankind is neurotypical, and 20% is neurodivergent. We tend to ‘equip’ people in the latter category with labels like ADD, DHD, bipolar, autistic, etc.

Most leaders find it hard to integrate neurodivergent people in their teams.

The reason is that most of us have preconceived ideas about the way people in the workplace should behave. For instance, we expect people to like attending and participating in meetings, do their work in teams, be productive in open-plan offices, and socialize with their colleagues after work.

People who do not fit this mold are seen as bad ‘team players’, and are often criticized for this behavior, e.g. during annual performance review meetings.

In her book, Saskia Schepers describes what neurodiversity is, what the strong points of different types of neurodivergent people are, and how, as an organization, you can integrate neurodivergent people and capitalize on their strengths.

The book almost immediately reached the number 1 position in the Dutch bestseller list of management books, was quickly sold out, and is now in its third printed edition.

An English translation is in the making and will be published in 2024.

During our conversation, we discussed the following topics:

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The why and how of corporate ethics – An interview with John Hollwitz

Our society is more complex than ever. For the first time since WWII two nations find themselves at war on the European continent. At the same time our economy is slowing down, inflation is on the rise, whilst technological developments in the AI space are more unpredictable than ever, and we are still trying to find out if these will be our friend or foe… 

In times like these ethics, and a sense of purpose are more important than ever. Therefore I was glad to have the opportunity to have a conversation on these topics with John Hollwitz.

John Hollwitz is a University Professor of psychology and rhetoric. Before coming to Fordham, he was the A.F. Jacobson Professor of Communications at Creighton University and dean of arts and sciences at Loyola College in Maryland. He also has been the vice president of academic affairs at Fordham.

Our interview was focused on the why and how of corporate ethics. During our conversation, we discussed, amongst others, the following topics:

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Developing compassionate leaders – An interview with Sophia Town

Our expectations of leaders and ideas about leadership have changed dramatically in the last couple of years.

Recently I was introduced to Sophia Town, Ph.D. , an assistant professor of organizational behavior at the Gabelli School of Business of Fordham University, who is at the forefront of academic research in this area.

In the classroom, Professor Town’s curriculum is guided by the question: “How can we develop compassionate leaders in service of a flourishing world?”

SophiaTown leads Fordham’s Human Flourishing Project (FHFP), a mixed-methods, interdisciplinary research lab that explores behavioral, psychological, communicative, and spiritual development in business education. Related to this project, Dr. Town serves as a Research Affiliate and Advisory Board Member for the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard University.

During our conversation, we discussed, amongst others, the following topics:

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